Seriously PISSED off!

[lady_windermere]

I am on the Wheldonesque both here and at insane journal....think I just just drop it here. Anyway when I go over to check my friends list on insane journal, most of the posts are from Whedonesque, so I just did!

Ok, I know it is full of blind stupid rabid fans. I know that. Who credit Joss Whedon for creating the universe and everything, and are probably in the process of raising money to build a series of churches to praise his name for the true believers.....But!

It seems that Doctor Who is one of the programmes mentioned as Britian's answer to Buffy! Now overlooking that Doctor Who predates Buffy by decades, where the hell does that bit of blind idiotic claim come from? In what way is Doctor Who in any way like Buffy?

Doctor Who is NOTHING like Buffy!

Comments

[hils.livejournal.com]

The only reason I watch Whedonesque is the occasional links they have to stuff actors I like are doing.

[http://users.livejournal.com/woman_of_/]

I think I well need to leave it alone. It can really make me angry!

[caelieth.livejournal.com]

O_o seriously? Damn.

[http://users.livejournal.com/woman_of_/]

I know, it is beyond belief! Sorry I missed your birthday, happy belated Birthday *hugs*

[lady-meander.livejournal.com]

*lol* If they believe something as stupid as that, I'm sure they also believe that Joss Whedon invented Dracula, and that Bram Stoker stole the character for his book *shakes head*

[http://users.livejournal.com/woman_of_/]

I really wouldn't put it past them at all! *head desk*

[ruuger]

I've noticed that a surprisingly large number of Whedon fans are not fans of the genre. They don't like other scifi/fantasy/horror and pretty much see it beneath them, and this leads to stuff like claiming that Buffy is bigger than Doctor Who or that Joss started the vampire trend, because to them Joss really is the greatest and only name in the genre - no-one else matters.

(I've actually seen the same phenomenon in X-Files fandom as well, though in a smaller scale)

Mind you, what's been bothering me more at Whedonesque lately is the bashing of actors who are no-longer attached to Whedon-projects. Recently some idiot called Amber Benson a has-been because she got the lead in a Lifetime movie, and then suggested that Joss should save her career by giving her a role in the Doctor Horrible sequel. Because of course a cameo in a web-production would be so much better career choice than a starring role in a movie made for a major network. *rolls eyes*

[http://users.livejournal.com/woman_of_/]

It can just get very annoying and frustrating sometimes. They come over a such experts. They are Joss specialists, and do not have a wider or holistic view at all. Most of the time they just make themselves look ignorant of the wider subject.

So some little project of Joss' is better than having something that will be seen by a wider audience than the Joss fans, than a major broadcast. Only they could say that!

[speakr2customrs.livejournal.com]

'Primeval' is Britain's answer to Buffy and, in many ways, is better than Buffy (Connor Temple is better than Xander, Abby is better than Buffy, Cutter is better than Giles, Lester is better than Quentin Travers, Helen is better than Glory, and the science is way better than BtVS mythology); all it lacks is Spike (Stephen was a poor substitute).

Buffy was America's answer to Doctor Who.

[http://users.livejournal.com/woman_of_/]

Ok, cannot comment on that, as I didn't watch it. David was here when it was on, and he does like to talk, so couldn't get into it when he was her!

Too Bloody True! Doctor Who came first!

[aschicca.livejournal.com]

Doctor Who? Really? But the last time I heard some comparison it was *Torchwood* that was called Britain's answer to Buffy! Is every single show to be considered "answer to Buffy" in some way? *sighs*

[http://users.livejournal.com/woman_of_/]

I think so. To be honest the new show Demons which aired on Saturday could be claimed to be that, I think. I didn't watch it. But yes, for them Buffy is the only one!

[sueworld2003.livejournal.com]

What thread on there are you getting this all from? I can only see the one where they're tearing Demons a new one, and mention the new casting in Who in passing.

[http://users.livejournal.com/woman_of_/]

Not a thread, it was a post!

whedonesque
11:46 am - Demons airs tonight on ITV.

http://whedonesque.com/comments/18542

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2009/jan/03/screen-burn-demons-charlie-brooker

It's the latest show to be dubbed "Britain's answer to Buffy the Vampire Slayer".

Other shows that have been labelled "the British Buffy":

Hex
Doctor Who
Torchwood
Merlin

[beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com]

To be fair, I'm pretty sure that RTD has credited Buffy as one of his inspirations for how he's handling the reboot of Doctor Who - the drama bits, the character interaction, etc. In other words, obviously the show itself is no more Britain's answer to Buffy than London is Britain's answer to New York, but the way it currently looks and works owes a bit of gratitude.

[http://users.livejournal.com/woman_of_/]

I think that was lip service to be honest. I see no comparison between Buffy and Doctor Who....no high school, no supercharged human, one companion (who changes) aliens, travelling through time an space. Nothing whatsoever to do with Buffy

[siriusslash.livejournal.com]

One is about an eccentric dimension hopping time Lord and the other is about a teenage vampire slayer/demon hunter with friends, quirkiness and lots of snark. I'm sorry where is the similarity???? I'm sorry I just don't see it.

[http://users.livejournal.com/woman_of_/]

Neither do I, that is what really pissed me off I think!

[jaded-jamie.livejournal.com]

Doctor Who is universe based alien sci fi. Buffy is nothing, nothing, nothing like it.

[http://users.livejournal.com/woman_of_/]

Very true Jamie, I just got a bit (very) mad when I saw that!

[wildannuette.livejournal.com]

Nah, they're nothing alike at all. I love both but the only thing they have in common is being both in the scifi genre.

One of my US friends mentioned to me that Star Trek was the US' version of Doctr Who, lol, so I guess people have different interpretations because I just don't see that either.

I also like Hex too, which people of the thread hate, but then i liked to squee over the club scenes since I was always at the club and recognised it >< Well season 1 :)

[http://users.livejournal.com/woman_of_/]

They are always saying something is like something else! Some of it totally mystifies me to be honest, but that is the way fans (and people) are they take something (or someone), and make then into some sort of God. Totally ignoring the fact that anyone out side their rabid fan base finds this totally unacceptable!

[stormwreath.livejournal.com]

In what way is Doctor Who in any way like Buffy?

Well...


"Good Writing Good. That's the most important thing in that wonderful show. It showed the whole world, and an entire, sprawling industry, that writing monsters and demons and end-of-the-world isn't hack-work, it can challenge the best. Joss Whedon raised the bar for every writer - not just genre/niche writers, but every single one of us."
- Russell T Davies talking about 'Buffy', BBC interview January 2004

"Well you can see little bits of influences, bits of Buffy perhaps, a bit of Star Wars maybe."
- Russell T Davies, 'Guardian' interview July 2008

"She [Rose] hasn't got superpowers or a secret destiny. At least not yet. I just used Buffy as an example of a well-written modern leading female role."
- Russell T Davies denies that Rose is just Buffy with a Cockney accent, TV Zone magazine interview July 2004

"I'd been watching shows like Buffy and Angel, and I'd said to [Torchwood executive producer] Julie Gardner - 'why don't we make a series like that?'"
- Russell T Davies explains where he got the idea for 'Torchwood', Radio Times interview October 2006

And just to balance it:

"I think when you start on a show like that... You are looking around [for things to compare it to]. Where does it sit now? What is like this now? What can I give as an example of this? Buffy is a good example: it's young-skewed, adventurous, funny and irreverent. But the moment you start making the show, you stop thinking of Buffy, you start thinking of Doctor Who. Doctor Who is a huge, fantastic, important show now."
- Steven Moffatt being rather less enthusiastic about the 'Buffy' comparisons than RTD was, io9 interview July 2008

[http://users.livejournal.com/woman_of_/]

Then I knew I would prefer Steven Moffatt, or at least I thought I would. Not so sure now, as he seems as blindly shippy as RTD, but maybe not as stupidly romantic.

Well written is well written. There have been lots of well written sci-fi/fantasy/horror written before Joss Whedon came along. Yes he is a great creator, writer and director, but there are others. They do not need to give him credit for that.

And with my dislike of Rose, I have to say that is not a recommendation that any influence from Joss was good!

[erin-starlight.livejournal.com]

I tend to avoid Whedonesque as it never fails to tick me off. What next, say that George Lucas stole his idea of Star Wars from Joss Whedon? Buffy is not the be-all end-all and despite what many claim Joss is not god.

[http://users.livejournal.com/woman_of_/]

I'm trying to take it off my feed, but cannot find a link....need to go to FAQ I think!

No Joss is not God, he created a fantasy universe that a lot of people love, but that is all!

[j-p-fan.livejournal.com]

Doctor Who is one of the programmes mentioned as Britian's answer to Buffy

Whut?! That makes no sense at all o_O

[http://users.livejournal.com/woman_of_/]

I know, first I was amazed, then really annoyed!

[simonf.livejournal.com]

As the person who wrote that relevant bit at Whedonesque, I will say in my defence that at the time Nu Who was seen as being influenced by Joss and Buffy. Some quotes about this can be found in a previous Whedonesque thread.

http://whedonesque.com/comments/9245#more (http://whedonesque.com/comments/9245#more)

[http://users.livejournal.com/woman_of_/]

Ummmm! And I'm not sure that was a good thing!

[dandies4ever.livejournal.com]

WTF!? It isn't alike at all!! Just... wow I have no words

[http://users.livejournal.com/woman_of_/]

I know, that is what really pissed me of big time!