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lady_windermere ([personal profile] lady_windermere) wrote2008-01-29 03:45 pm

Comic Vs TV what do you prefer?

[livejournal.com profile] sueworld2003 said "Trouble is as beautifully done as they are, they mainly served to push home to me how much I miss seeing those characters in a live action format." I was wondering how many others felt the same. Two polls under the cut.


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[identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for a very detailed reply, I really appreciate it.

It's just... that bank robbery changed the basics of Buffyverse so profoundly I don't know what to expect next. I won't be surprised to find out that Giles or Xander (or both) work for general Voll for the greater good; that Willow was time-travelling to Fray times during her "missing months"; that Faith has arrived from an alternate dimension where Buffy is still kept in a psychiatric ward. I feel that I lost my frame of reference.

I mean - when I was reading the first nine issues I thought I knew the characters. Now I discovered that I know nothing about this new Buffy. Maybe I know nothing about the others. And I don't know what to expect from them. Any character's storyarc may go in any direction. An in the end we'll find out that it's all just a dream or a glitch in a time rift.
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[identity profile] stormwreath.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 05:20 pm (UTC)(link)
that bank robbery changed the basics of Buffyverse so profoundly I don't know what to expect next.

Would it still be an interesting story if you did always know what was going to happen next, though?

Anyway, from my point of view Buffy robbing a bank is much less of a shocking change than Angel going to work for Wolfram & Hart. I mean, can you imagine the mockery and massed cries of "WTF is Joss smoking?" if that change had happened in AtF insted of S5?

Buffy, on the other hand, has never hesitated to violate the law if it means saving innocent lives... starting right back when she burned down her school gymnasium. Now she's committing bigger crimes in order to be able to save lives in general on an ongoing basis, rather than specific individual lives. I'm not denying that she's crossed a line somewhere, but it looks to me that she's falling down a slippery slope rather than waking up one day and deciding to become a supervillain.
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[identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Would it still be an interesting story if you did always know what was going to happen next, though?

There is a difference between knowing and expecting. When I watch, say, BSG, I don't expect characters to turn into сissies. When I watch Lost I don't expect Sawyer turn into a perfect gentleman. I don't know what happens to them but I know their characters.

Buffy, on the other hand, has never hesitated to violate the law if it means saving innocent lives

Judging by Buffy's reaction it wasn't about saving innocent lives, it was about paying for the satellite system. That's frustrating.

[identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
What do you think she needed the satellite system for?
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[identity profile] stormwreath.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 06:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly... Buffy thinks she's being proactive with pep. Better weapons and equipment mean that her Slayers can save even more innocent lives. And not die in the process.

Stealing bread to feed your starving children is a crime, but most people wouldn't call it immoral. Embezzling a million euros so your children will never have to go hungry again is a different matter. At what stage do you draw the line?

[identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 08:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly and that's the beauty of it. Most fan criticism of the decision to activate the potentials has focussed on the possibility of there being some bad 'uns or of all of them suffering as Buffy did when she was the only one. Which completely misses the more interesting point that going from one to many *qualitiatively* changes everything. The world really is all different. Even if Buffy were to continue to act exactly as she always has done the scaling effects of her being one of many make the ethics of it completely different. One woman stealing a rocket launcher is an innovative solution to a seemingly intractable apocalyptic problem. 500 girls stealing 500 rocket launchers is a threat to world peace in and of itself.

[identity profile] sueworld2003.livejournal.com 2008-01-31 10:05 am (UTC)(link)
But to use that well trod phrase "because it's wrong". Buffy is making herself a target by thinking she is outside the law.

Should be 'fun' seeing how Joss makes her realise that fact...
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[identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 07:25 pm (UTC)(link)
What do you think she needed the satellite system for?

That's a million dollar question.I wonder if Joss has a valid answer or he just threw the robbery in for laughs.
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[personal profile] elisi 2008-01-30 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Would it still be an interesting story if you did always know what was going to happen next, though?
That's not the issue. I have *no* idea what'll happen next in AtF. Anything is possible, literally. But everything that's happened (pretty much) is because of Angel's actions, and those actions have been very in character. Buffy robbing banks is *not* in character. I'd rather she'd set up a lap-dancing club. At least then the money would have been honest.

[identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Buffy robbing banks is *not* in character.

Yes it is. Buffy robbing people not so much . Buffy stealing from corporations and risking raising insurance premiums. Exponentially much.
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[personal profile] elisi 2008-01-30 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

[identity profile] sueworld2003.livejournal.com 2008-01-31 10:08 am (UTC)(link)
Ditto. Oh Joss what the fuck are you playing at here....