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[livejournal.com profile] sueworld2003 said "Trouble is as beautifully done as they are, they mainly served to push home to me how much I miss seeing those characters in a live action format." I was wondering how many others felt the same. Two polls under the cut.


[Poll #1129330]

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Date: 2008-01-30 03:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] stormwreath.livejournal.com
Trivial? Oh come of it. With great respect the whole Warren thing in season 6 was a big deal, for heavens sake, and having him forget what he actually did there says a lot about Joss attitude

But Warren's season 6 storyline has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Willow flayed him alive, and his body then disappeared in a flash of light. Nothing we've learned in season 8 changes that in the slightest.

The 'trivia' I'm referring to is the fact that The First appeared in Warren's form in season 7, but we were also told that it could only appear as people who'd died. Even so, there was already a massive loophole in that rule as The First appeared as vampires (only technically dead) and as Buffy (no longer dead). Widening that loophole a fraction so it could also appear as Warren hardly changes anything significant, in my mind. And anyway:

You shouldn't have to be filling in the blanks for him like that.

I'm not. He did it himself, by saying that when Amy rescued Warren he was technically dead for a few seconds until Amy's magic could revive him. A perfectly valid and consistent retcon that fits perfectly into canon continuity. If Joss had included that dialogue in 8.04 in the first place we wouldn't be having this discussion...

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Date: 2008-01-30 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sueworld2003.livejournal.com
"I'm not. He did it himself, by saying that when Amy rescued Warren he was technically dead for a few seconds until Amy's magic could revive him."

Sorry love, thats sounds soooo weak to me, it's just laughable. Warren appeared as the First because he'd died. End of story. Infact that element was an important past of Willows story arc, and now, what, she just maimed him or something? It weakens the magnitude of what she did other wise.

He just out and out forgot and that's it. To 'wank' it as anything else is just plain silly.

To give the old fella his due he did admit to what he'd done. Some wouldn't have bothered to have replied to the fans complaints at all.

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Date: 2008-01-30 06:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] stormwreath.livejournal.com
Warren appeared as the First because he'd died. End of story. Infact that element was an important past of Willows story arc,

How was the fact that The First could take Warren's form important to Willow's story arc? It never appeared to her in that form. She killed him, Amy revived him, The First appeared as him (to Andrew). And Buffy died (twice), Xander and Willow (respectively) revived her, and The First appeared as her too. Not really seeing why one is perfectly OK and the other is a dealbreaker, here...

Or to put it another way: what Joss forgot was that The First couldn't have appeared as Warren if he hadn't died, not that Warren died at all!

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Date: 2008-01-31 09:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sueworld2003.livejournal.com
The fact that Warren has been revived and brought back this way, does 'cheapen' what Willow did I think. The whole climax of the 'OMG Willows gone bad and killed' is that yeah, she did actually kill Warren.

Now to have him come back and say well Amy saved him seconds after he died, is utter bollocks I'm afraid, and hair splitting of the worst kind.

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Date: 2008-01-31 12:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] stormwreath.livejournal.com
I disagree, but this is going over old ground now so perhaps it's best to agree to disagree.

Willow discovered that she was capable of vicious cruelty and torture, and had the will to do murder in her heart. That's quite powerful enough, even if we later discover the man she thought she'd killed was "only" turned instead into a hideous, skinless monster that makes grown men blanch and shrink in fear at the mere sight of him.

I'm not seeing how that cheapens what she did... but like I say, I'm not trying to convince you otherwise...

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Date: 2008-01-31 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sueworld2003.livejournal.com
Thats okay love, because you haven't. :0

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